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For anyone who hasn't noticed, this is now available on the market.
As per the listing, its a very powerful and potentially dangerous product so only experienced psychedelic users should buy it after thoroughly researching its effects.
hi - I see you on your tor market page for this you say:
Experienced Shamans: I'm looking for reports from plugging the product. Anywhere from 20-50mg. We will be testing this later in the week.
I have reasonable amount of experience with 5-MeO-DMT from bufo venom and synthetic. i'm happy to help. let me know if you would be interested to discuss further.
Thankyou. Obviously there are lots of reports on the internet but I'm looking for experimentation with this specific oxalate version so I can write guidelines safe for the casual psychonauts here.
But, how do you rate the bufo vs the synthetic (freebase?). As I'm looking at getting the bufo in as well for those wanting an all natural experience.
synthetic (freebase) is a more reliable experience as the bufo is of varying strength so you never know quite what you are getting quantity wise. I've never sampled oxalate but frankly I would prefer to convert it to freebase and vape it than plug it. it should be reasonably easy.
despite the synthetic 5 being more 'predictable' perhaps it's in my head, but I feel that the bufo experience is more rounded, the synthetic more angular. 'the toad knows what you need' so i've seldom seen people have damaging experiences with it, in contrast to some of the synthetic 5 trip reports you read. I have to say there are some concerns for the over exploitation of the toad also so please be considerate where and how you source any toad you decided to sell to people online.
This is a very powerful sacrament and frankly i would be extremely circumspect selling it to casual psychonauts
the safest thing to do is start with a threshold dose (10mg bufo, 1-3mg synthetic freebase) to see how you react.
Then 15-30min later, layer on another larger dose (20-30mg bufo, 5-10 synthetic).
If you want to go deeper still, 15 to 30min layer another dose (30-70mg bufo, 10-20 synthetic)...but remember this quantity will LAUNCH you.
If you experience a white out on smaller doses, there is no need or benefit in taking larger doses.
People seem to react very differently to it. I've seen people have full breakthrough experience on 20mg bufo, while others take 50-70mg.
please please please use with great caution and consciousness. for many people the experience with 5-Me0-DMT is life changing so it's not to be taken lightly!
despite the synthetic 5 being more 'predictable' perhaps it's in my head, but I feel that the bufo experience is more rounded, the synthetic more angular. 'the toad knows what you need' so i've seldom seen people have damaging experiences with it, in contrast to some of the synthetic 5 trip reports you read. I have to say there are some concerns for the over exploitation of the toad also so please be considerate where and how you source any toad you decided to sell to people online.
Interesting. You've got me feeling bad for toads so I'm gonna skip the natural and get some synthetic freebase for those struggling to effectively smoke the oxalate. However, it will be even more expensive than the current offering unfortunately.
Thanks for the information alicethecamel. I have vaped the oxalate in the 5mg - 10 mg range and getting effects - but not a breakthrough yet. Still taking this slowly and dosing up. Keen to hear more experiences too!
Yep you will likely need at least 20mg- but of course everyone needs to start low and see how it effects them.
Found this on plugging / shelving. This chap endorses 5-MeO-DMT and has a whole forum amongst other spirtual thoughts.
https://www.actualized.org/insights/how-to-plug-psychedelics
There are many reputable collectors of toad venom...the trick however if you have never been to Sonora is finding one and knowing that they are collecting venom with integrity, not mis-treating the toads or removing them from their natural habitat to 'farm' them. The toad should not be kept in captivity. The risk's of using 5 come not not so much while ingesting or under the influence of the substance, but more from a failure to integrate the experience as it can open doors people didn't know existed which for some people can be very traumatic.
Check out the following links for more resources :
https://www.fairtradetoad.org/
https://theconclave.info/
https://toadwhalesun.com/resources/
I wonder what happened to the guy that discovered it. Maybe they were cooking the toad for dinner and next thing...
@tormarket - the first public western reference to Bufo Alvarius was published in 1983 by a man using the pseudonym "Albert Most". His real name is Ken and he announced in July that he is almost ready to come out of hiding. Hamilton Morris (of Vice) did a whole episode of 'Hamiltons Pharmacopia' where he tried to identify the person behind the pseudonym, without success, which prompted the real Albert Most to announce himself to the world via a postcard. I am very interested to hear when he makes himself public how he came upon the toad venom.
You can read the text of the pamphlet here:
https://www.erowid.org/archive/sonoran_desert_toad/almost.htm
There are some suggestions that even though the Toad Venom does not have a continuous recorded history of use in any of the indigenous cultures of it's Sonoran desert habitat, the Bufo Alvarius was clearly revered by earlier civilizations and shows up a lot in historical artifacts.
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